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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 10, 2008 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

If McCain had the same reltionship with McVeigh that Obama did with Ayers, the pro-Obama folks around here would quake with rage to the point of having seizures.




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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 10, 2008 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

McVeigh was convicted and excecuted, Obama met Ayers 30 something years after the fact and I doubt he knew exactly who he was at first. Even the guy who prosecuted the guy issued a letter saying what a flimsy bunch of shit this is.

Regardless - all you conservatives or whatever you call yourselves - don't you think Mccain and Palin should stand up to shouts of " kill him" from their crowds? As much as you guys apparently hate Obama, do you honestly think he's a traitor that deserves death? Come ON!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

You mean blowing up govwernment buidlings can either result in execution or tenure at a university? How do you get door number two?

I forgot sending someone fom the team to meet with local radical islamist fundamentalists... I am sure there are 10 things for every one on the other side but let's harp on the the few less intense assfuck scenarios and ignore the major systemic problems with the chosen one's ASSociations.

Then denying any of it. The only thing worse is I was making songs about this while mccain was calling everyone "my friend".

We should make fund of his war injuries and his age, and call her a bimbo in fine tolerant liberal tradition of equality where you are protected unless you are white or christian or old or hetero or conservative or patriotic or ______ (add your offical designation here, it's only a matter of time before they come after you too).

You should be catergorizing and labeling yourselves into neat little divisible sections for proper processing at the politburo.

Feminists hate her, that is the best part part, a woman with family and a career aiming for the whitehouse, how dare she not abort her fetuses.

I don't even like people with midwestern accents, but I don't hate them. So who likes chicago gangsters and scam artists?

AMAZING if this happens.

Anyone ever ask someone on the street in an obama shirt why they are voting for him?

I did at walmart the other day and it was hilarious. He pointed to the word change. Either he was an idiot or didn't speak english, win-win scenario.

I am past the denial and anger and am heading into depression phase of mourning this country.

Ask any economist about how raising capital gains and corporate taxes and investers income helps recessions.

Anyone need a loan modification?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

" You mean blowing up govwernment buidlings can either result in execution or tenure at a university? How do you get door number two?"

So you are basically commenting on something you haven't researched?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

Haw haw haw haw! I googled it and didnt find nuffin on dat one.

You got me.

Argument over, you win!

But seriously, and not to be a dick, they both bombed government buildings and people died. At least timmy didn't suggest to the teens to go home and kill their parents too.

Imagine Mcveigh getting off on a technicality and working for the schoolboard in oklahoma handing out copies of the turner diaries and letting mccain start his political career in his living room, work with him and even if not believing in his ideology, miraculously having the same supporters across the country.

How many people who think ayers was a positive influence are voting republican?

Who would chavez vote for?

Who WILL the black panthers vote for?

Who will Mark Rudd vote for?

Who will the socialists party of the us vote for?

None of this is adding up? These folks are just of a different opinion on trivial procedural differences in city management right?

Socialism is just another way of doing things, not something we have had wars trying to stop or anything.
Oh yeah, some of us were sitting behind enemy lines like hanoi jane and that old rich white dude with the funny arms. Traitors!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

I honestly don't think he knew who the guy was until later and by that time what are you going to do? NOT sit on a board that supports a cause you believe in? Maybe he did know, I wasn't there.

You still want to equate Vietnam with Communism and Socialsm? WHO do you think Ho Chi Mihn appealed to first for help? Come on.

As for Socialism - I wonder if Palin knows what it is because Alaska is Socialist in some ways. Hmmmm, resource profit sharing? FREE healthcare for kids ( Federal money I believe supports that program )? And you believe what she says about it?

I gotta say for me and my family, it works pretty damn good. No amount of rhetoric from any of you pinko haters is going to make me say something is bad when I see it work. HOW can you sit there and tell me that the private insurance I pay for is better than " socialized" medicine when I see the direct opposite?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

"I honestly don't think he knew who the guy was until later and by that time what are you going to do? NOT sit on a board that supports a cause you believe in? Maybe he did know, I wasn't there."

I am not running for president and I knew who the weather underground was. I think if I was in politics I might google more, but that's just me... change you can believe in.

"You still want to equate Vietnam with Communism and Socialsm? WHO do you think Ho Chi Mihn appealed to first for help? Come on."

The French army? His neighbors in Harlem in 1912? He was always a communist, where are you going with this anyway?

"As for Socialism - I wonder if Palin knows what it is because Alaska is Socialist in some ways. Hmmmm, resource profit sharing? FREE healthcare for kids ( Federal money I believe supports that program )? And you believe what she says about it?"

Yeah, she probably has no clue surrended by russian and canada. I believe hard facts not what politicians say, I know mccain is not my friend, I do know how he voted though and you should too.

"I gotta say for me and my family, it works pretty damn good. No amount of rhetoric from any of you pinko haters is going to make me say something is bad when I see it work. HOW can you sit there and tell me that the private insurance I pay for is better than " socialized" medicine when I see the direct opposite?"

Would you go to an emergency room in Cuba for a heart attack? Whatever floats your boat, if palin is making socialism work for you in alaska or whatever the fuck you are talking about that is your perogative. DO NOT FORCE IT ON ME. I'll take my chances with capitalism and democracy/ I'd rather be sick and broke than oppressed and controlled anyday. Give me liberty of give me head.

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Poster: valuecom Date: Oct 11, 2008 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

All 50 states now have healthcare for kids. I am not for socialism but this is a good idea. The fact is simple American parents are more worried about themselves these days than there offspring. This is evident by the sales of video games and the 90% populous of cable subscribers.

Americans for the most part are selfish fools. $5000+ average CC debt per household. Give me a break.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

NC, did you study with Lee Atwater?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

I am a student of life, I am about to go back to school as we speak and get a masters degree to get out of the sales stress game and fart around for 40 hours and have medical insurance and a 401k, well maybe not a 401k!

Got a stafford loan because I finally qualify without my deadbeat dad's income tax returns or whatever other bullshit they wanted 15 years ago when I got turned down for financial aid and had to put classes on a credit card.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

masters in what? Just curious. Good luck with it (sincerely).

...and I'm still laughing about the Barbara Bach pic...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

Well I was thinking of getting law degree but it's too far of a drive and way too expensive and psychology would only make me dangerous so business admin it is.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 11, 2008 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

>>>NC, did you study with Lee Atwater? >>>

At least Atwater repented (from Wikipedia):

"My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring — acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul."

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2008 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

damn, haven't you learned anything from the years of limbaugh and hannity? It's not feminists, it's feminazis...

Damn right I'll make "fun" of his age. My father is suffering from dementia and I see signs of befuddlement and confusion cross McCain's face and hear the stammer in his voice. One of his great traits was always that he had more energy, stamina, etc than most men. I know a campaign is tiring, but he looks worn out. He does not project any sense of vitality. OK. That's all just bs windowdressing, but it leads to a lack of confidence in him.

I'm still trying to figure out why several years as a POW somehow qualifies someone for public service.

More importantly, McCain has shown repeatedly over the years that he will act rashly and irrationally, the consequences be damned (like his off the cuff mortgage bailout plan - how is that sound, steady economic leadership? From Businessweek (leftist rag):

In a conference call Wednesday morning with reporters and in a follow-up call, McCain's top economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, made clear that the Arizona Senator is proposing the first option. Under his plan, the government would buy the mortgages from banks and investors at the original value of the loan, no matter how overinflated that now appears to be. "We're [proposing] buying back the original mortgage at the original value and then giving [the homeowner] the new mortgages" at current values and more affordable interest rates, Holtz-Eakin told BusinessWeek. "Obviously the taxpayer is on the hook for the difference."
Thanks John.

McCain's selection of his VP candidate, which we are supposed to accept as his first important executive decision, was horrendous. And it's not because she has tits as opposed to a penis. It's because she is incredibly unqualified and was a pure ploy to try and shore up the conservative, fundamentalist base that seeks to impose their religious values and beliefs on the country. I don't give a shit if you pray to Allah, Jehovah, the voices in your head, or like me, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I've always thought that separation of church and state was a good thing - for both church and state. You can say she's tolerant and I'm intolerant because I'm attacking her faith, but this is a woman that had a fuckin' Kenyan witch doctor do a laying on hands to cast out demons and prepare her path. How come we don't examine her pastor in Wasila and her refusal to denounce some of its statements? Hey, the Jews for Jesus and praying them straight stuff can't be questioned because it's "faith". There are a bunch of folks out there that think she is Esther. Come on! Wasn't it bad enough that the last administration had more graduates of Regents University working in it than any other school? That your position on Roe v Wade became a litmus test for whether you could work in the Justice Dept or with the transition to a democratic Iraq? "I like her because she's one of us". Guess what? I don't want someone like me running the show (insofar as the people in office really run anything), I want highly qualified, experienced, savvy folks in charge. I'm not saying that's Obama - I'm just saying that it sure is hell ain't Palin. Again, the age thing matters because he'd be the oldest pres in history if elected and she's sitting there ready to jump in (and after she tries to grab more power for the VP office since she thinks the Constitution is "flexible" in regards to the power of the office). That scares the bejeezus out of me. And we all know that the same team from Tricky Dick and their acolytes 'til now will be ones still running the show. The last 8 years sure as hell were one great success story.

Hey, let obama win and inherit the shitstorm. It'll get your boys (and trophy gal) back in power come the mid-terms....


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate... as opposed to 20 of the other

"Damn right I'll make "fun" of his age. My father is suffering from dementia and I see signs of befuddlement and confusion cross McCain's face and hear the stammer in his voice."

That's awesome, so you make fun of your dad too? Unreal. You said it not me. I hope you mispoke there.

Like Biden wasn't chosen because he was old and experienced to offset the youth and inexperience of obama?

It's all politics and I am sure you didn't mean what it looks like you tried to say. I certaintly wouldn't make fun of anything other than full blown aids and maybe brain damage from sniffing spraypaint.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

As for your second part, no... life in prison without parole would suffice.

(this part is a joke)

These people are pissed that someone who associates with domestic terrorists and the various other miscreants previoulsy mentioned is winning a race for the whitehouse, don't you get that?

Shall we get into hateful things said by leftists towards others in public venues? Shall we? How about madonna, sarah bernhart, olbermann and behar? Throwing the name hitler around and calling people murderers? How about obama calling our troops murderers, how about murtha? How about Kerry? How about every nasty thing said about bush, cheney and others. Personal attacks and no substance. Attacking policies, judegment and actual associations is different than calling someone nasty names and accusing them of murder, that shit used to be called libel or slander. Ask our resident attorney.

How about 20 years of your pastor telling you that the government created aids to kill black people and indoctrinating that into people that believe that shit. What do you think will happen when and if they ever grow up? Do you think they will be tolerant, courtesous fellow travelers on the walk of life? Do you think they want your group hug? They want your money and your absence. If you think for a minute the people that are supposedly the benefactors of socialism won't turn on you at the first opportunity to promote their own agenda or race, ask hillary what happened.

Hypocrisy!

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 11, 2008 7:43am
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"McVeigh was convicted and excecuted, Obama met Ayers 30 something years after the fact and I doubt he knew exactly who he was at first. Even the guy who prosecuted the guy issued a letter saying what a flimsy bunch of shit this is."

I'm not completely clear on what McVeigh's execution has to do with Ayers guilt. We know what Ayers did; he's admitted to most all of it. The fact that McVeigh got caught and Ayers beat the rap doesn't make Ayers any less evil. He and his Manson-endorsing wife are sub-human scum. The fact that they are involved in education in any capacity is a travesty.

“Regardless - all you conservatives or whatever you call yourselves - don't you think Mccain and Palin should stand up to shouts of " kill him" from their crowds? As much as you guys apparently hate Obama, do you honestly think he's a traitor that deserves death? Come ON! “

I will be attending a Palin rally next week- I'm curious to see if such shouts are in fact taking place (I haven't heard any audio of “off with his head” type comments just claims of the In-Obama's-Pocket media drones at CNN, and even if they are happening, my guess is that they are most likely coming from plants from the filth brigades at Moveon.org and their ilk. No anti-Obama person I've talked to- and there have been many - has ever uttered a word about harming Obama. They are merely frustrated people who have serious doubts about his influences, his character, and his plans for this country. Just because people don’t respect Obama doesn’t mean they want him to be hurt. In fact, I find this sudden hang-wringing over the anti_Obama anger at MCCain rallies downright hilarious in light of the four years we’ve just spent listening to the left scream for Dubya at the end of a noose. Just out of curiosity, would freedom of speech and artistic expression be acceptable excuses for creating a film titled "The Assassination of Barrack Obama"? Or do those things only apply when it's "The Assassination of Geroge W. Bush"? The American left continues to be the living definition of hypocrisy.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 11, 2008 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Don't you think someone in trinity church should have said something?

Don't you think someone in bill ayers living room should have said something?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 11, 2008 2:19pm
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>>> The fact that McVeigh got caught and Ayers beat the rap doesn't make Ayers any less evil. He and his Manson-endorsing wife are sub-human scum.>>>


Ahhgh, sub-human scum... ze Untermensch.

I'm getting where yo're coming from Herr Gobbels. The sun never sets on the 3rd reich.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 14, 2008 8:37am
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Sorry, the nazi label lost its meaning some time ago in the context of being carelessly applied by hysterical little twitters such as yourself.

I'll stand by what I said about Ayers. He's on the moral level of a child molester.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2008 1:29pm
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I'm curious to know what other forumites have set on a Board of Directors for any type of foundation, group, company, etc. I currently sit on one and I have no freakin' clue as to the background of those sitting on the board and the same is true of them for me. We all serve because we are supportive of the goals of the nonprofit. The Ayers thing is a ridiculous red herring. On the other hand, I do think the Rev Wright issue is fair game because that is clearly a long and close relationship.

That said, it's good to see McCain focused on the real issues of the day. Face it folks, he's an irrational, doddering old fool with the single worst pick for VP in US history. Who would've thought we would ever long for Dan Quayle?. And McCain's "support" for the troops is fucking laughable. Newsflash - he hasn't doesn't shit for veterans.

Rant on boys. Please tell us, yet again, how you are the ones that are right and we should all bow down to your superior intellect.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 10, 2008 4:59pm
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NC, it's time to pick up the ball and go to the house. Folks that are predisposed to believe that our government functions best as an arbiter of moral relativism will not be persuaded to think otherwise. Look at each and every comment or rebuttal to your posts and then make your very best attempt to identify the ideology behind it, and you will come to see there is little. No better ideas, just criticism.

It's all about change, this country sucks, it's all wrong and we have conservatives to blame for the mess we're in. In many cases I don't disagree, but I'd really like to know about the ideology of the folks that are coming to fix this mess.

In Peru, they've had a political party that's actually called the "Change" party. It's only good until the next election. Then it's called the "New Change Party." Can you see where this is going?

I'm glad I'm a conservative. I believe in constitutional law, and I believe that Christian doctrine is the guiding principle behind those laws. I believe the authors of the constitution and the bill of rights had incredible foresight, because their work has as much meaning today as it did when those documents were written. In short, I've got a lot of faith in the system.

So, come on NC, let's go to the house and relax awhile, it'll all be OK, if Billy Clinton couldn't sell us out, nobody can.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 11, 2008 8:23am
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"Face it folks, he's an irrational, doddering old fool with the single worst pick for VP in US history."

No, YOU face it, BD- you've done nothing to support any of your rather laughable claims, and I'll take a doddering old fool over an anti-American, anti-Freedom, Islamist sympathizer any day of the week...hell, I only wish I could vote for Palin stright up as Prez over the Obamassiah.

Obama Muslim Outreach Coordinator Under Fire for Meeting With Extremists
Barak Obama's Muslim outreach adviser is under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist views, just months after her predecessor resigned for links to a radical cleric.
FOXNews.com

Friday, October 10, 2008

Barack Obama's newly appointed Muslim outreach adviser is coming under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist views, just two months after her predecessor resigned over links to a radical cleric.

Minha Husaini met with members of several Islamic organizations in Virginia on September 15 -- including some that terrorism experts say have ties to Hamas and the radical Muslim Brotherhood.

Among the attendees were senior members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which was listed by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror-related trial.

Several people connected to CAIR have been convicted of felonies -- including on terrorism-related charges.

CAIR bills itself as the nation's largest Muslim civil-rights advocacy group. As recently as last year, it advised the Transportation Security Administration on sensitivity training regarding Muslim air travelers. Nihad Awad, a CAIR co-founder and executive director, met with President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.

But critics say CAIR has a long history of masquerading as a moderate Islamic group.

"These groups, even if they themselves are not active terrorist organizations, do subscribe to large amounts of the ideology that fuels the terrorism that we are being confronted with," said Andrew McCarthy, former Assistant U.S. Attorney.

CAIR did not return repeated calls for comment.

Awad, who was at the September meeting with Husaini, recently attended a dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Also present at the Sept. 15 meeting was Mahdi Bray, who has publicly announced his support for the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Bray, the executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, raised his fist in the air during a rally in Washington in October 2000 to demonstrate his support for the terror groups.

Bray refused to comment on the recent gathering. "It was a closed meeting," he told FOX News.

Johari Abdul Malik, imam of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va., also participated in the meeting. During a conference in Chicago in 2001, he told attendees, "You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work." In November 2004 he told followers, "You will see Islam move from being the second largest religion in America -- to being the first religion in America."

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign would not have sent a representative to the meeting had it known the list of participants.

"This meeting was not organized by the campaign -- our outreach staff attends many meetings in the course of each day and they accepted an invitation from community leaders to attend," LaBolt told FOX News in a written statement.

The Obama campaign's previous Muslim outreach advisor, Mazen Asbahi -- who stepped down in August following reports he was linked to a radical imam -- also attended the meeting.

In a brief telephone conversation, Asbahi refused to discuss why he was at the meeting or whom he was representing.

According to LaBolt, "[Asbahi] is not an employee of the campaign and does not speak on behalf of the campaign."

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 11, 2008 8:47am
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Posting proof only scares people away, stick to radical videos!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 11, 2008 1:51pm
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>>If McCain had the same reltionship with McVeigh that Obama did with Ayers, the pro-Obama folks around here would quake with rage to the point of having seizures.>>


Exactly what "relationship" are you talking about?

Are they both secret Muslims? Their fathers are suspected of being not white enough?

O'bama secretly joined the Weather Unterground as a 7 yr old talib?

Both secretly funded by the same right-wing foundations?

They're both hippie fags?
Commie fags?
Hippie commie fags?

No wait -- you're right. Because we have to prove that our GOD is bigger, we have to get back to the "pure" fiscal conservates of the GOP and should instead vote for the greater evil of known liars, power abusers, and crooks.

Gotta be better than that Arab one -- you know an Arab can't be a decent family man.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 14, 2008 10:01am
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What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know who Ayers is? Or MC Veigh? Seriously, do you? Because it seems as if you don't. You sound like you're having an imaginary conversation with some phantom foe in your head, Spaced. I guess my spot-on analysis of the hypocrisy of the left has unsettled you.


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